tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post4159328935811496559..comments2024-02-25T19:34:27.767-06:00Comments on Grateful Dead Listening Guide: 1977 May 8 - Cornell Universityicepetalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09600688771458155367noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-76937795785605708942016-09-08T21:14:45.311-05:002016-09-08T21:14:45.311-05:00You put just right. It stands on its own but when ...You put just right. It stands on its own but when placed in its context, the context becomes more than the sum of its partsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05292996519418654245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-1050680423632510722013-09-29T11:18:27.003-05:002013-09-29T11:18:27.003-05:00It's hard to tell if Bobby's joking in tha...It's hard to tell if Bobby's joking in that interview or not. There's long been some controversy on whether this show was actually played, so for him to come out and say it like that... It almost sounds like maybe this rumor was started within the band, since they don't have the master tape. Or maybe he wasn't joking, and it was some kind of mind control experiment done in cahoots with the "company"! He says it's "unclassified" now. Well, I'd sure like to see that document!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-91378324092020516192013-08-07T15:41:38.062-05:002013-08-07T15:41:38.062-05:00Thanks iamcorrect for a very informative reply, it...Thanks iamcorrect for a very informative reply, it all makes sense now. If the masters fail to materialize then I can make do with my top quality boot cd released about 20 years ago, the master would be hard pushed to improve on the sq. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-4213683702733838092013-07-28T10:30:57.677-05:002013-07-28T10:30:57.677-05:00To anonymous above, here is the thing. There is s...To anonymous above, here is the thing. There is some kind of legal battle with the masters. The band doesn't have them. That is why they have not been released by the band. I read about this last year. The tapes went to a roadie, and then ended up with an ex wife.<br /><br />So, either the actual physical master tapes are either lost, or someone won't hand them over. Judging by Bobby's coyness, I am guessing they know who has the tapes and are trying to get them. The other guys in that interview were willing to talk about it.<br /><br />it's a shame, and kinda crazy to think about. With Owsley, the Dead pioneered and basically invented concert recording. So, to think they don't have the tapes to their most famous show most be driving them crazy.<br /><br />I too believe that if you had to pick one show that was the greatest, this is it. That Scarlett/Fire is just transcendent. There are many eras I love, especially the Spring 90 and 91 stuff, as I was at those shows.<br /><br />I am confident in time they will surface and the band will release them. Whoever has them now is not making any money by holding them. So, it is either a battle over a dollar figure, or they are lost to history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-58118731116764400872013-07-05T17:16:49.317-05:002013-07-05T17:16:49.317-05:00Yeah, I saw that too, Bob was real sure the band d...Yeah, I saw that too, Bob was real sure the band didn't play that nite, which we all know they did, kinda weird .......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-21233306480121853062013-07-01T16:22:29.415-05:002013-07-01T16:22:29.415-05:00I saw an interview with Bob Weir promoting the new...I saw an interview with Bob Weir promoting the new '77 releases, the Cornell show was mentioned as though it never happened, any ideas why ????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-33973168142033105872013-04-18T12:40:41.589-05:002013-04-18T12:40:41.589-05:00I will forever have Jerry's Dancin' solo/j...I will forever have Jerry's Dancin' solo/jam playing in my mind. This may not be the best show based on song selection, or on epicness but if you had a chance to play for someone (who had never listened to the Dead) one single show..which one would it be? For me it would either be 5-8-77 or 9-13-75. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06668515445390820094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-29191658516707578162012-08-24T05:39:40.579-05:002012-08-24T05:39:40.579-05:00The comment about this show being in the right pla...The comment about this show being in the right place at the right time (as if that isn't ever the case) captures the special quality this night had. Last minute miracle ticket, ride down with good people, everything seemed to align for all. The feeling of being in the right place at the right time permeated the music from the beginning. The Scarlet/Fire transition is a good example of this natural ease. Some nights you gotta wok to get there, some nights it was just meant to happen. Proof to us was that, after the epic Morning Dew we wandered out to the parking lot to find a soft fluffy blanket of May snowfall, which we tossed in the air by handfuls, covering everything like a seal of approval from the universe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-62116633996332548992012-05-08T15:30:29.817-05:002012-05-08T15:30:29.817-05:00This show was like a birthing, in to this world I ...This show was like a birthing, in to this world I had only heard about, and vicariously lived through others tales and listened to on tapes. <br />Every song had some sort of religious fervor to it, as we wiggled, waggled and jumped and clawed at the magical air that filled Barton Hall.<br />The way the set went, was confusing. a Jack without a China Cat threw me for a loop. a St. Stephen, where'd that come from. But the Scarlett/Fire was monumental as were so many of these songs.. Everything went blue, at the end, when they played Morning Dew. I kept hoping for a Stella Blue. But the lighting guy had nothing to do with the set list. <br />The jamming carried us through the night. <br />The big echoing hall and the lighting had such a huge impact. Listening now, hearing Jerry riffing in to the clouds, makes me wish I had a better sound system.<br />It snowed for the ride home. It being May, you wouldn't expect anything less up there. each morsel of snow were kisses from angels. Luckily I was in the back of someone's car and all I had to do was make sure to stay close and barely tethered to the planet that night.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-41938554765487254872012-05-08T15:16:41.988-05:002012-05-08T15:16:41.988-05:00but I was tripping balls at the Cornell show, and ...but I was tripping balls at the Cornell show, and the space monkeys came and took us to another place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-35135765373714160502012-05-08T09:48:34.743-05:002012-05-08T09:48:34.743-05:00Happy 35th, good old friend.Happy 35th, good old friend.Steve In Denverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14628505396491684702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-1112069008635109092012-03-01T09:04:51.265-06:002012-03-01T09:04:51.265-06:00If you piece DP Vol. 3 together with the 8 leftove...If you piece DP Vol. 3 together with the 8 leftovers at Archive -- and even if you don't -- you could easily come to the conclusion that 5-22-77 (Pembroke Pines) is a better show. In fact, the only thing 5-8-77 has over it IMHO is Scarlet > Fire, because 5-22-77 has no Scarlet > Fire. But the Sugaree, the Help/Slipknot/Franklin, and the incredible almost hour-long windup of the second set -- Estimated > Eyes > WR > Terrapin > Dew -- speak volumes about this show. Better encore, too -- Sugar Mag instead of Sat. Night.JasWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15002044015543468171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-4863569020978612112011-08-24T01:47:20.373-05:002011-08-24T01:47:20.373-05:007May77, Boston = A-
8May77, Cornell = A
9Mayy, Buf...7May77, Boston = A-<br />8May77, Cornell = A<br />9Mayy, Buffalo = A+ (it's just a slightly better show mainly cuz it rips right out of the gate with an A+ Help>Slip>Franks. It doesn't have Barton's Dancin' but that one loses it's shine after many repeat visits. Barton has one of the greatest BEWs and a solid A Scarlet>Fire (though far from my favorite). Buffalo has incredible: Cassidy, Tennessee, Bertha, Estimated, NFA. Barton has the energy, the pulse; Buffalo has sparks, flow, selection, X.<br /><br />Comparing the May 77 shows is difficult and time-consuming. They're all good. Of the 3-day run, I give the edge to Buffalo. Barton is in the top 5 for May 77, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-51749089060618655722011-08-21T05:41:12.466-05:002011-08-21T05:41:12.466-05:00It may be an incredible show and many words have f...It may be an incredible show and many words have flowed regarding this place and time, but these words are some of the best, most succinct descriptions of this show. What a write-up. If anyone asks ';ll just send them here.<br /><br />If your first show was '89, I'm not sure how you got such a great grip on the whole dead horizon (there'd be 60's people sayin' that to me, just the same, natch). The Barton tape didn't appear in my circle until late 80s and I never even heard a low-gen until the 90s, so, guess I'm in the same lake, if not boat. I think it's the middle show of an incredible 3-day-run but it would seem its legend has grown since the advent of the interwebs. I don't remember anyone saying it was the best until recently (it was mentioned among several that you "should hear"). I DO remember people saying that about Richmond 89, Red Rocks 87, Veneta 72, Fillmore 70, blah, blah. Oh well, if one has to be the best, let this one ride. Just remember: IAATR (It's all about the run)!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-31642298595814456702010-11-05T18:39:10.185-05:002010-11-05T18:39:10.185-05:00There was a freak snow storm that day. Many of the...There was a freak snow storm that day. Many of the Deadheads who had arrived early broke into the building accross from Barton Hall to get out of the weather.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05081368113042750804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-34714553177277973522010-10-15T23:35:14.124-05:002010-10-15T23:35:14.124-05:0010/15/10
Yes absolutely ONE of the finest SHOW TAP...10/15/10<br />Yes absolutely ONE of the finest SHOW TAPES out there, but there are so many contributing factors that one person or another can deem their personal best show or shows of all time. One of the things I really dig about the spring ‘77 run and many of the Betty boards (San Bernadino WOW!) Is I will turn non Dead Heads OR even Dead haters to these tapes and I have converted quite a few of these people after rolling a few reel to reels and a few dubies into either new Deadheads or at least Dead curious. I loved watching the transformation take place rite before my eyes during Scarlet>Fire or NFA>GDTRFB or St. Stephen>NFA>St or Help>Slip>Frank etc. etc. etc.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00626294804044410590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-30351200622989340612010-01-19T19:06:12.378-06:002010-01-19T19:06:12.378-06:00Even though many of us may be tempted to discuss t...Even though many of us may be tempted to discuss the absolute greatest Dead show ever, it's akin to arguing about the greatest Dead song. I like early 80's Dead myself, but there's no question that this show is huge. And even today, with wide access to so many incredibly sounding shows from the 70's, it's my sense that this one still stands out. The first set is often overlooked (except the Dancin'), with steller versions of Minglewood, Loser, Lazy Lightning/Supplication, Brown Eyed Women, and Row Jimmy (with a sweet slide guitar solo). But, this second set is truly phenomenal. The Scarlet-Fire is perfection, and if you ask me is the highlight of the whole show (esp. the transition jam). Jerry's solo in Not Fade Away is amazing, and yes the Morning Dew is mighty indeed (although I still prefer Hampton '84). Any discussion of the greatest show always concerns the sound of the band; the Dead circa June '76 sounded quite different from the Dead circa May '77...and not only in approach, song selection, etc...but also tonally. In addition, I believe that the Betty Boards weren't actually 'released'. Her home was foreclosed on and the reels were left, abandoned, no? Finally, I met someone who went to this show, drove up from NYC the day of show, arrived during Dancin' ticketless. Fortunately for him and his friends, there was no one at the box office, the doors were open, and they just walked right into Barton Hall...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-80368638968810823712009-12-17T11:02:01.544-06:002009-12-17T11:02:01.544-06:00Can I just add how amazing Mickey and Bill play on...Can I just add how amazing Mickey and Bill play on Scarlet/Fire? I've been coming back to this tape since 1988 or so, and their playing never ceases to amaze. Subtle, bombastic...just great.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-80962707217412308662009-10-26T09:09:53.462-05:002009-10-26T09:09:53.462-05:00With all due respect to the person who said there ...With all due respect to the person who said there were "great" sounding boards prior to the release of the betty boards in 87, in a way I must disagree. Yes, there were stellar and very clean board tapes out there, but when the Betty's hit..... that was and still is the pinacle of sound. The richness of the May 77 run that was captured on tape to this day is the benchmark through which all other tapes are measured. And Icepetal, i'm a huge and gracious fan of your postings. Inspirational indeed!Briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-47893367558622465712009-09-05T12:47:56.038-05:002009-09-05T12:47:56.038-05:00Thank you Icepetal. After decades of living on so ...Thank you Icepetal. After decades of living on so little of the Dead's music, for you to do this for us is so appreciated. I lived in Alaska for 38 years nonstop, very little of their music was available, I live off memories and the very occasional concert down South. Now thanks to you I'm catching up and learning, getting another chance to be there, however vicariously but just as true and strong. As to this 5-8-77, for me the Stevenson is the one, capturing a clearer more intense sound, along with the audience banter. Especially the Dew. Whew.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00038158726216526423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-32605862315043867432009-08-04T23:29:33.477-05:002009-08-04T23:29:33.477-05:00What I find incredible is after years of trading c...What I find incredible is after years of trading cassettes in college, with dual Naks, working diligently to preserve the quality tape to tape.. I can now sit in my den and listen to 5-8-77 in full Dolby 5.1 surround sound thanks to the likes of Charlie Miller and others who have sacrificed countless hours of their personal time to bring us the best quality digital experience. Thanks to preservationists who keep the music alive..Fitznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-78113790322132631812009-08-03T20:55:52.470-05:002009-08-03T20:55:52.470-05:00Your review of the "tape" and how it bec...Your review of the "tape" and how it became this "sum of more than it's parts" was a fun read. It was well thought out, and the analogy of the brightest sun in the sky was smart. Unfortunately, your perspective is post-1987, and it lacks sufficient history. <br /><br />Betty boards started circulating widely around Sept 1987. I remember being in the Cap Center parking lot and hearing this incredible version of the Cornell show. I approached the guy playing it and he had a SOUNDBOARD version of the show. He proceeded to tell me the story of the Betty boards. Back in the mid 80s, we all had crappy audience copies of the Cornell show, yet it was ALWAYS my favorite. I asked the guy to run me copies and he told me he would. I thought it was Christmas Day. I couldn't believe someone actually had a soundboard of this show. <br /><br />Within a week, I was getting all these calls about great sounding soundboards that were popping up, including 5/7/77 and 5/8/77.<br /><br />You claim Cornell was one of the earliest A+ soundboards to get into mass circulation. Hardly. Dan Healy leaked board patches and soundboard tapes left and right. There was LOTS of great soundboard prior to the Betty Boards.<br /><br />The Cornell show is as great as the hype. The release of the Betty Boards exposed it to the masses, but for those of us who lived with the crappy audience copies for years, we still called it our favorite show.<br /><br />Most of the pre-74 stuff is great, butI like the slightly more polished sound of 76-79. That's why I think 5/8/77 is "best show ever". If I loved the raw early stuff more, I'd understand why this show could never be called "No. 1".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-16105370138415140142009-07-31T04:35:08.496-05:002009-07-31T04:35:08.496-05:00This show inspired me to beleive in a higher power...This show inspired me to beleive in a higher power witch was was the the grateful dead reaching it , combined with the crowd we have been places others may never get to see.LOVE TO ALL FROM THE ONE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-79697054591011398972009-07-27T20:51:35.257-05:002009-07-27T20:51:35.257-05:00ever think about doing a review of 5-7-80? i woul...ever think about doing a review of 5-7-80? i would love to read oneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-387936856129721233.post-1587182915957416212009-07-04T14:10:30.327-05:002009-07-04T14:10:30.327-05:00jerry's solo on dancin blows my mind every sin...jerry's solo on dancin blows my mind every single time especially those notes at 8:23.<br /><br />also check out keiths keyboard work on new minglewood bluesjacobnoreply@blogger.com